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Supreme Court docket is debating two affirmative motion instances that might have deep implications for variety on campuses and within the office.

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The Supreme Court docket’s conservative majority signaled skepticism Monday over using race-conscious admissions at American schools in one of the crucial controversial instances earlier than the court docket this 12 months, questioning the boundaries of such insurance policies and whether or not they’re really wanted to make sure variety.

At concern are insurance policies at Harvard Faculty and the College of North Carolina that let admissions workplaces to weigh the race of candidates as one in every of many elements that assist determine who might be accepted. Relying on the scope of the court docket’s ruling, the end result may have profound implications past increased schooling – spilling over into office variety packages and different efforts to confront discrimination.

A number of of the court docket’s conservatives famous that the 19-year-old precedent that allows using race in admissions had warned that such insurance policies should not be wanted endlessly. How, the court docket’s conservative justices requested, will supporters of the insurance policies decide whether or not the objectives of affirmative motion had ever been reached?

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25 thoughts on “Affirmative motion: Supreme court docket hears arguments from UNC and Harvard | US-TODAY.NET

  1. Asian discrimination is used to protect the white. by limiting Asian admissions, it opens up the spot for the white students that doesn't do as well. This is pushed by the white parents.

  2. Sure universities might play a large role in the leader ship of our country However we should not put diversity ahead of whoever might be the most qualified candidate In fact when considering who those candidates are their skin color shouldn’t be even taken into consideration whether that person is white black Red yellow blue or green The only thing that should matter is who has the higher test scores because in doing so we ensure we have the smartest among us in leader ship roles which intern will lead to every US citizen prospering

  3. Sota Mayor has not looked at this law with intelligence, considered the Constitution nor displays any coherence. This law forces decisions based on race and her idea of a pipeline of leadership is also bogus since you are not educating the best and brightest. How do you have leaders when the students were not even qualified to be in college but got there on thier skin color? She is not a judge, she is a propagandist for the left and cares nothing about the law. Equality does not exist in her book, she sees only color, freedom does not exist because she has the white privilege mindset, justice is merely a staue holding scales, decoration.

  4. If you support affirmative action, you support people being judged on the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.

    The Left (who mostly support affirmative action) are once again proving they are still the real racists in our society

  5. We the people are not shocked that PBS has turned off comments or any other social media outlet to the decisions of ending race being put on application. Why has it taken America so long to stop rape, incest and molestation in families and communities??? I'm sad to the world has just decided all these years later to now act. Shame on us. The Constitution in whole not part was only created for a curtain race and show now be used anymore. We need new rules to govern a country of diverse people not one people. Race should be eliminated from every document in the US! There are 80% white born people who live in Africa . The are not African white people that ridiculous. And black born people or any other race born in America are point blank Americans!!! What is the old terminology of alien…. It is a person or person from another country. We all should be categorize by where were born not the color of our skin. We are simple minded people who want to keep division!!! Racial tension and unequal power by minimizing some when white Americans are not true Americana either. We are all aliens from a different country derived from a different country except for the Indians that was in America before we tried to slaughter them and take over this land. We need a movement not just for colleges but for the entire US . We should be Americans because we were born here as to any other nationality!!! Its a country that we should stand for not a color!!! Will it take even longer for this inhumane behavior to stop!!! Rate, statistics separation of any kind of group or class based on anything who cares about grades who cares about color who cares about where you come from as long as it has to do with your color. We want to always show who is above and who is below. This world needs to learn how to help people in need no matter what and stop praising everyone who can achieve more then others if it puts others down. There will always be smarter people, richer people etc and vice versa. We need to reassess what's important to stop all this madness our ancestors have let go on for way way too many years and we act like we're humane we act like we're right we act like it was a different generation but as long as we continue the same bad habits of our past ancestors we are no better than them. Ray molestation incest wasn't okay 10 years ago 20 years ago 50 years ago 100 years ago but we as so-called inhumane people I mean humane people have allowed it to continue this is ridiculous. It should not have taken a 2020 to start putting billboards on and start advising people and telling people on people who rape unless people people 40 years ago was being molested and nobody did anything about it shame on America shame on government shame on people and higher up positions who had the power to change it and didn't. Simple minded people in power need to hear comments on racial diversity. Every human should be identified by the country we were born in. Not to discriminate against country states cultures, but to be identified as to where we born that's it. Citizenship in any country has nothing to do with race there are all kinds of races all time for cultures and religions and every single country we need to stop. The only thing that matters is where you're born from for citizenship that's it!!

  6. In Compton, Oakland California, more black taxes Fund Oakland Police D. — or– – in U.S.A. More blacks, Hispanics, Europeans, Arabs, Indians, etc Fund & hold up public or University Ivy League Endowments. But, relatively speaking – these Universities must place only CCP Asians in classrooms?

  7. Right. Diversity does not matter. Diversity is a result of successful education of the nation but artificial diversity does not indicate successful education. It's just common sense.

  8. I hope the American people can unite to overthrow Joe Biden, because he is the one who spearheaded the chaos in the world, only for the interests of Nato politics, people around the world are sacrificed…

  9. People a apparently too young or stupid to remember when well qualified African Americans, Hispanic Americans AND Asian Americans, had there applications thrown in the garbage can by white Americans as soon as they walked out of the room, and that's what will happen again with out Affirmative Action, it's sad we need it, but people simply wont do what's right!!!!

  10. Here is the thing, Milk is for Babies and Solid food for the Mature. The Mature recognize the Cherry Picking done with Rules. Take away those rules (abolishment of Slavery unless Convicted of a Crime) we are back to Ends Justify the Means. ENTITLED ONES.

  11. OH YEAH AND THE SECOND INCENTIVE FOR SCHOOLS IS ENDOWMENT: TO STATE THE OBVIOUS A bamboo ceiling entry level-then-fired-laid-off PERSON EARNED LESS THAN A SUPERVISOR OR SUPERVISOR OF SUPERVISOR ETC. ETC.
    bamboo ceiling IS ANOTHER ARGUMENT PROPONENTS OF aa CAN MAKE
    AND CAUCASOIDS ARE I FOUND VERY INTELLIGENT PPL- THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES NOT IN THIS TOPIC BUT THEY ARE VERY INNATELY SMART PPL- THEY CAN COMMUNICATE EXTREMELY WELL THEY CAN SPEAK ARTICULATELY AND WITH FEELING/MEANING
    gooks/chinks ARE HOLLOW SPACED-OUT DUMB SOCIALLY-RETARDED TYPES NO SENSE OF HUMOR ETC.ETC. NOT GOOD IN JOB-CONTEXTS

  12. PPL THINK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS SOME ABSTRACT CONCEPT OR OR THAT AT BEST IT'S A 'SMALL BENEFIT OR LEG UP' THIS IS VERY INCORRECT:
    FROM HS TO COLLEGE (I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS THEE MOST IMPORTANT ACADEMIC JUMP) EXTREME ADVANTAGE
    THERE ARE-
    OK SO THE REASON IN MOST PART I SAY COLLEGE IS A WASTE OF TIME, IS BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY TAKE A BROAD LOOK AT OVERALL JOBS IN THE WORLD OR IN THE COUNTRY, MANY MANY IF NOT MOST? SEEM TO BE LIKE back office operations, sales, OR OTHER FULL-TIME JOBS THAT FRANKLY DO NOT REQUIRE COLLEGE DEGREES- BEING A journalist OR news anchor LEGIT LEGIT REQUIRES SUB-HS DIPLOMA- IM NOT TRYNA KNOCK ON ANYONE BUT YOU
    READ ENGLISH!!!!! 20! MINUTES! AY DAY!!!
    WHY- EXPLAIN TO ME HOW A COLLEGE DUCATION COMES INTO PLAY, AND NOWADAYS IT'S SOME DUMB SHIT LIKE PHD IN crt OR gender studies
    SO FOR THE LIKE ~5% JOBS THAT ACTUALLY WOULD- AS I SAID 'PUT YOU ON A millionaire track' EXPLICITLY
    EXPLICITLY OK? PUT ON THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION REQUIREMENTS: "Bachelor's degree in [major] FROM A TOP UNIVERSITY"
    FROM A TOP. UNIVERSITY. SO, IF YOU'RE LIKE A TYPICAL DUMB asian AND YOU ARE OFFERED AT BEST A SHITTY OR DECENT SCHOOL, AND IF YOU WERE TO SAY: "with the affirmative action benefit you miiiiight have made an IVY, but it turns out you would not have; basically you would have needed joe biden chee-ting boost but you still wouldn't have gotten in" THESE ARE PPL WHO ARE IN A VERY UHMMM GRIM PATH IN LIFE, BECAUSE THESE sales JOBS FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BEHAVE CONFIDENTLY AND PROJECT VOICE ETC. ETC.: asians ARE GENETICALLY BAD AT THIS-
    OR LETS SAY THE POLICE FORCE, WHERE BRAVADO AND MACHO-NESS IF YOU WILL IS A BIG THING: asians AGAIN GENETICALLY- IT'S LIKE LOOKING AT A PORTRAIT OF A BIG LION NEXT TO A PORTRAIT OF A HAMSTER- YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN?
    THE BOTTOM LINE IS: IVY LEAGUE YES OR NO, AS SIMPLISTIC AND NARROW-MINDED AS IT MAY SOUND, IS ACTUALLY VERY VERY IMPORTANT FOR asians, BECAUSE THE 95% OF OTHER KINDS OF JOBS YOU ARE THE LEAST- YOU ARE ALMOST AS BAD AS shck IN THOSE ROLES
    SO, SO, TO RECAP:
    HS –> COLLEGE EXTREME BENEFIT
    COLLEGE TO EMPLOYMENT!!!! ANOTHER!! CUMULATIVE EXTREME BENEFIT (ALTHOUGH THIS CASE SINCE koreans AND chinese HAVE POOR JOB SKILLS AND LEADERSHIP TRAITS THEY SOMEWHAT BENEFIT FROM THIS DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION) BUT FOR GRADUATE SCHOOL PROGRAMS NOW YOU HAVE A GROUP OF PPL WHO HAVE 2x CUMULATIVE EXTREME ADVANTAGES
    THEN! GOING INTO THE WORKFORCE AFTERWARDS, NOW x3(!!!!!!!!!!) YOU GET THE PICTURE HERE YES?
    ON THE FLIPSIDE, THE ONLY PERHAPS ARGUMENT THAT PRO-aa CAN PLAY, AND THEY KINDOF DID THIS CAREFULLY, IS THAT, AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY 100% TRUE: asians HAVE POOR LEADERSHIP TRAITS-
    I MUST I MUST NOW PARSE AND SEPARATE 'asians' IN A SIMPLE WAY: INDIAN-AMERICANS (I'VE SEEN- AND I DON'T KNOW A TON ABOUT DYNAMICS IN INDIA BUT 'bangalaru' ARE LAZY LIKE LAZIER THAN koreans OR bengali SO IM TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER TYPES OF INDIANS)
    OUTPERFORM IN AMERICAN SOCIETY. THEY DO THE EDUCATION THING, AND THEY GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH 'THE RIGHT WAY'
    gooks AND chinks ARE- AND I SINCERELY MEAN THIS- ARE BELOW-AVG IQ, BUT THEY SPEND 5x MORE TIME MEMORIZING AND EVEN GOING TO MEMORIZATION CRAM SCHOOLS, BUT THEY ALSO TEND TO DO THINGS LIKE gook pop music! SIDETRACKING AND THIS IS THE 'WRONG WAY' ON TOP OF LOW IQ
    SO IF WE WERE TO LUMP INDIAN-AMERICANS (ALSO, NOTICE HOW CONSERVATIVE NEW BRITISH PM [800 MILLION DOLLARS NET WORTH] IS ALSO INDIAN-DESCENT) INTO 'asian' THIS IS NOT FAIR, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY GROUP I WOULD SAY THAT GENUINELY OUTPERFORM, SO I WANNA BE SURE TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION
    koreans AND chinese HAVE EXTREMELY SUB-PAR LEADERSHIP TRAITS AND UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF THAT IS GENETIC-LOOKS: SMALL SLANTED EYES, SMALL STATURE, GENERALLY ARE CHUBBY, GENERALLY HAVE NO BASS IN VOICE, LACK INTERPERSONAL SKILLS
    I WANNA GET INTO INTERPERSONAL SKILLS: MOST IF NOT MANY NON-asians SPEND A LOT OF THEIR FREE TIME ESP IN YOUNGER YEARS PLAYING COMPETITIVE SPORTS- YOU DEVELOP A LOT OF SOFT-SKILLS OR EVEN LIFELONG CONNECTIONS IF YOU WILL THAT SOMETIMES TURN INTO EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, ALSO STAY IN SHAPE ETC. ETC. asians DO NOT DO ANY OF THAT- NOT EVEN DIVISION-1 ATHLETICS, SO HALF OF LACK OF LEADERSHIP TRAITS IS GENETICS/DNA THE OTHER HALF I.E WITH koreans TRYING TO ACT LIKE BACKSTREET BOYS AND DR. DRE COMBINED IS A LEGIT ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION (AGAIN, IN THE END I STILL THINK aa SHOULD BE BANNED BUT IM PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE)

  13. THERE ARE A LOT OF NUANCES IN THIS TOPIC SO I WILL EXPLAIN- THE low IQ news ppl WHO FAILED IN LIFE SO WORK 20-MINS-A-DAY CAN'T OBVIOUSLY SAY-
    FOR EXAMPLE- IF THE TOPIC SUBJECT MATTER IS: "why aren't asians in NFL NBA" YOU COULD COME UP WITH A SCHOLARLY ANSWER AND BEAT-AROUND-THE-BUSH, BUT THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT YET SUCCINCT CORRECT ANSWER WOULD BE: "asians are genetically smaller than other species"
    THE REASON I POINT THIS OUT IS BECAUSE I WILL NOT GIVE SOME KIND OF SCHOLARLY RESPONSE BUT I WILL GIVE YOU THE REAL RAW UNFILTERED VERSION, I WILL SAY THAT IN THE END IF I WERE THE DECIDER I WOULD MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO IMPLEMENT affirmative action, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS THAT SUPPORT THE OTHER SIDE SO I WILL TRY TO GET INTO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE- IM GUNNA START WITH THE EXTREME ADVANTAGES OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND THEN GO INTO WHY – AND OBVIOUSLY 'SCHOOL' IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR ALL SPECIES, BUT FOR asians IN PARTICULAR IS 5x MORE IMPORTANT- IM A SELF-MADE BILLIONAIRE AND RETIRED AT 25 YEARS OLD SO FOR ME PERSONALLY I THINK EDUCATION IS AN UTTER WASTE OF TIME AFTER HIGH SCHOOL – WILL IT GIVE YOU THE BEST SHOT AT BECOMING A millionaire? YES. WILL IT HELP BECOMING A BILLIONAIRE? I WOULD ARGUE NO. OK HERE WE GO:

  14. In No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life, published in 2009, Princeton professor Thomas Espenshade and coauthor Alexandra Radford demonstrate that, controlling for other variables, Asian students applying to highly selective private colleges face odds against their admission three times as high as whites, six times as high as Hispanics, and sixteen times as high as blacks. To put it another way: Asians need SAT scores 140 points higher than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and an incredible 450 points higher than blacks (out of 1,600 points) to get into these schools. An Asian applicant with an SAT score of 1,500, that is, has the same chance of being accepted as a white student with a 1,360, a Latino with a 1,230, or an African-American with a 1,050. Among candidates in the highest (1,400–1,600) SAT range, 77 percent of blacks, 48 percent of Hispanics, 40 percent of whites, and only 30 percent of Asians are admitted.

  15. Even if we could wave a magic wand today and every child starts off the same and goes to a good school, it wouldn’t last. Some of those kids would choose to go to college to be doctors and some would choose to be mechanics. Nothing wrong with either profession. But then their children will grow up in different circumstances. We would have to reset the system every generation. Which would be impossible.

  16. I want the surgeon who's operating on me to be the most knowledgeable. I could care less if he's white, black, yellow, a martian…if he's smart enough to save my life, that's all I care about. Not a surgeon who was pushed through based on skin color instead of merit. That just sounds dangerous.

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